Wednesday, February 17, 2016

...but Krakauer said it was all true, and built quite a sensational story around it!

Oops

Looks like Jon was lying, or at best, believing what he wanted to be true, rather than what was the actual story.

7 comments:

Honoria Helper, L.C.S.W. said...

Mister Redweld, aren't you failing to account for the real fact of University of Montana football players being treated like royalty, and so no jury in Missoula would ever rule against a football star, no matter what the crime? Isn't it true that in Missoula and elsewhere in Montana, football team loyal support trumps social justice every time, because Montana is reactionary and misogynist, and homophobic and bigoted and rape-apologizing as a state?

Chet Redweld said...

Easy assumptions to make if you don't live in Missoula or elsewhere in Montana. Look at where that ignorant stance led Jon Krakauer.

Karl Franz Ochstradt said...

Perhaps the good Ms Helper is really aligned with Jon Krakauer in the belief that unless everyone is registered as a D, owns & drives a Prius and sports a Bernie 2016 sticker on that Prius, and fully supports progress through technology and physics, then the evidence of one person driving a "rollin' coal" pickup with a Ron Paul bumper sticker and actual dirt on the truck's body panels means it's time to lie about how reactionary and rape-apologist that town is. Everyone must be a progressive, otherwise the women will get raped. Just ask Hugo Schwyzer, right?

Chet Redweld said...

Given Missoula's massive influx of professional progressives during the past decade and its historical stance within Montana as almost a caricature of image-oriented, in-your-face liberalism and progressivism, it's somewhat hard to believe that a jury made up of such progressive darlings (otherwise: the majority of Missoula residents forming the jury pool) would ever rule in favor of the accused QB. Isn't it?

So why would a $245,000 USD settlement be paid, if it was such a slam-dunk with proof that the reactionary helmetball QB was a mad rapist?

If the case was airtight, $245,000 would not be paid except in a grudging refusal to appeal the jury verdict on cost grounds.

Honoria Helper, L.C.S.W. said...

If the case was airtight, $245,000 would not be paid except in a grudging refusal to appeal the jury verdict on cost grounds.

What does this mean? I'm confused. If you think a jury of Missoula residents would be sure to return a conviction on rape charges, who would appeal that? Who in their right mind? Surely not the prosecutor, who has received precisely the kind of justice sought. You are saying the University and/or the QB as an individual would appeal the verdict? Do you think they would want to appeal it, but then decide not to because of its cost, and then would pay $245k? Isn't that payment proof that he was a rapist?

Chet Redweld said...

It's simple, Ms Helper.

In a dispute, it makes no sense to agree to pay a settlement unless one of two situations (or maybe both situations) apply:

(1) you're actually guilty, and are afraid that a jury would see this and return a much higher value award than what you're offered, so you accept the penalty of the settlement payment as a bargain compared to what might be awarded by a jury; or

(2) the case is a mess, and very costly to litigate, and so you avoid litigation costs with a settlement payment, on the gamble that $245,000 paid now is cheaper than what you'd spend over the course of the litigation, even if you were to end up winning. In other words, you'll spend that $245,000 anyway, even if your end result is what you seek.

I'm sure Negotiations Tactics Expert Ian Welsh has other thoughts, though, since he's a blogger, and since he's told everyone he teaches in this field. Everyone knows a random blogger who puffs himself up with lies about his skills and background has far more dispute resolution experience than a litigator, mediator, or other person with extensive experience handling litigated disputes.

Karl Franz Ochstradt said...

Krakauer & Welsh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiAR8I8wRmk